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The Honorable Shyne: From Hip-Hop Stardom to Political Leadership in Belize
What if a young rapper could rise to political prominence, transforming his life and the future of his nation? On this episode of Reels and Riddims, we take you on an extraordinary journey through the life of Moses "Shyne" Barrow. From the glitz and glamour of the rap world to the sober corridors of political power in Belize, Shyne's story is one of resilience and transformation. Join us as we discuss the documentary "The Honorable Shyne," now available on Hulu.
With a focus on Shyne's rapid ascent in the music industry, we explore the unique challenges he faced, including the media’s portrayal and the music industry's landscape during his emergence. We dive into the intriguing comparisons between Shyne and legendary Biggie, and his association with Bad Boy Records. While the documentary hints at the complexity of his life, we dig deeper, examining the cultural nuances and his unexpected journey into Orthodox Judaism. Our reflections touch on the gaps within his narrative, especially his personal evolution and the layers of his identity.
Authenticity shines through our discussion as we explore Shyne's uncompromising honesty and connection with his audience. We discuss how his collaborations with artists such as Barrington Levy echo a rich cultural narrative between Belize and Jamaica. Our conversation takes a lighter turn with humorous exchanges involving artists like NORE, underscoring the camaraderie and cultural richness of the Caribbean. We wrap up with a celebration of Shyne's influence and leadership, encouraging you to explore the documentary and appreciate his ongoing impact on Belize's youth and political landscape.
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Speaker 2:Oh God, sorry Y'all, Nori was so funny. Oh my gosh, I know immediately.
Speaker 1:Oh, my goodness, all right. So welcome to another episode of Reels and Rhythms, brought to you by Carry On Friends in partnership with the Style to the Vibes and Breadfruit Media. And Reels and Riddance brings you commentaries, reviews and perspective to what's on the world of TV film and concert, with enough vibes as only Mikayla and I can, through the lens of Caribbean culture, caribbean American immigrant and first-generation experiences. Welcome. How are you Medoops? Maybe people don't know based on that quote, but we already know. Yes, we already know.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I cannot wait to get into the conversation. There were so many nostalgic moments, I think, from this particular project that we are going to talk about. So, yes, my girl Wagwan Wagwan.
Speaker 1:So we are talking about the documentary the Honorable Shine, or Honorable?
Speaker 2:You have to say it like that, honorable. You have to say it like that you can't think my body killer, don't?
Speaker 1:The Honorable Shine, which is a documentary which chronicles Moses Shine Barrow's rise to stardom, incarceration and reemergence as a political leader in his home country of Belize. Get it right that. Get it right, that's it. Highlight.
Speaker 2:Everything, everything, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1:But before we get into our reviews, we have another real list segment coming up, and the real list is usually a list of movies, in this case documentaries and it's following a theme, and the theme for this real list is music or musicians. So run it, Michaela what is your favorite list of documentaries about music and musicians?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's a good one, and I gotta keep it short. Some of them I haven't seen yet and I have some that I need to watch and some that I have watched. You guys already know the Biggie, the Bob Marley one those are two that I've seen. The Beatles one it came out in the movie theater a while ago. Um, and this is pop, which you put me onto on Netflix, which is a mini series around um pop. It was like four episodes around pop music in the golden era of like nineties into 2000. Um, well, favorite scamming, um, my ninja for the for Boys, backstreet Boys. That was wildly eye-opening. I told you what was the name of it. Let me just Scam off business.
Speaker 2:Because it was that eye-opening.
Speaker 1:It was the longest running Ponzi scheme in America.
Speaker 2:I did what I did what Twice Lord, but what's on my list? Luther's Never Too Much. It's one of the ones that I want to watch. I think it released in the theater and then I don't know if this counts as a documentary, but Beyonce just does really great visual projects. I still like Bechella from the Herc Coachella. I find myself going back to that and watching that. And then the album that was inspired by all the African artists that she worked with, I think like that was just so visually stunning. Yeah, I don't think it's a documentary, it was just good. What about yours? That was a long list.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that list longer than mine, cause you said shot and you kept going and going. I know, I know, I know Sorry and then you said Bob Marley, I'm like, but which one? But anyway Is it, I Shot the Sheriff. I Shot, the Sheriff is on my list.
Speaker 2:Okay, there's Bob Marley, and then there's I Shot the Sheriff.
Speaker 1:I Shot. The Sheriff is on my list. Okay, quincy is on my list, biggie is on my list, thriller is on my list.
Speaker 2:I like the making of Thriller.
Speaker 1:The video, oh yeah, no, the documentary where we reviewed the 40th anniversary of Thriller.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the 40th anniversary, that was really good.
Speaker 1:And then I like the one on Motown that I told you about Hitsville, the making of Motown, loved that one, absolutely loved it. So those are my favorites. Definitely adding. Those are my favorites. Yes, definitely adding some to the list yes. And of course I love Luther.
Speaker 2:I know so much Luther songs so whenever I get a chance to watch what he has, I don't know much about Luther outside of his catalog, so I think that this would be perfect for me. Yeah, yeah, love, love, love, love all I know, luther is his music.
Speaker 1:That's it, oh wow okay, that's interesting yeah, yeah, that's really all I know, so all right, all right, so now let's get into the me and ting. Michaela, you is the music journalist, so you are on the episode here yes.
Speaker 2:So there were so many different elements of the documentary itself and it almost kind of comes together in like three, three parts. It's like Shine's adolescent life, his life as a rapper and then his trajectory post getting out of prison and becoming a political party leader in Belize. So I think that there is so much there, especially to kind of break down Like I had no idea that his biological father was a political leader. That was something that I did not know and I don't follow Belizean politics so I didn't know too much about the parties and everything until he became the opposition leader. And that's when I was like, oh you know, I think Sean is one of those people who kind of eludes you in terms of music unless he's like in your face kind of. But I've been hearing a lot more from him in recent years because he's been back on the US soil really connecting with some of his political counterparts and entertainment counterparts, and so we've been seeing him a lot kind of talking about his position as a political leader.
Speaker 2:And so this documentary for me kind of gives a surface view as to who he is as a person, what his childhood was like and how he kind of has transcended into the man that he is today and it gives us a good enough backstory. And I'll tell you why I think it's good enough. But I think overall it was very top line right. It didn't give you too much it I'll tell you why I think it's good enough. But I think overall it was very top line right. It didn't give you too much, it didn't give you too little, but it allowed you to connect the dots to his story. What were your initial thoughts?
Speaker 1:You already know, I feel like it was just very surface level. I wanted more. I felt like, as you know and I can quote the chat like I didn't want to relitigate the trial, I didn't care for it, you know, like you had to mention it, kind of like what we did in the Biggie thing, like it is a fact, right, you talk about it, but I didn't want to dwell on it and I think there was a lot of time spent on that, whereas it left a lot of lines or space when he converted to Judaism and when he went from dressing and appearing as an Orthodox Jews with the payout and all of that stuff to now not having the payout. But where is he in his Judaism, right, and then, you know, getting into political life. So I thought it was surface level. I wanted more, but I think it was a fine starter.
Speaker 1:I think, if I had to weigh it on things that I didn't know before, the documentary was just how much he had such a good music deal before he put out a record, and it was just like, wait a minute. I was there trying to do maths in my head. It was stunning. He didn't have a hit record or anything, and that's why Nori's commentary was so colorful, because he was just like what People are seeing this real time? And they were just like oh, like you know, people are seeing this real time. And they were just like, oh my gosh, like what is this?
Speaker 2:Also, I don't think even at that time we we really kind of recall the media frenzy that is today, has social media, right, and that wasn't necessarily a thing. So the most that you heard was really magazines, industry, people behind the scenes really talking, and if you were in those spaces and places then you would have heard it. I think, to my recollection, the last time I heard like a real bidding war was really around Drake of who he was at that time and the way the media was kind of transcending. At that time it was a little bit more publicly known, right, because in addition to the gossip we are now talking about the music business at that time, whereas back when Shine was it was mostly consumer-driven gossip. And then the biggest thing around shine that they touched upon in the documentary was his similarity to biggie when people first heard him and and how many people created you know that, that link or thought about that, and it even played into his um, his kind of beef with with junior mafia um, and really at the time period of when shine was, I was trying to like play it out in my mind because, if you think about it, mace was signed to bad boy the locks was trying to get out of bad boy Biggie was gone.
Speaker 2:Kim Faith, mary, they were all like kind of total. They weren't really doing a whole lot at that particular time because he was really the only artist that was. I think Mase was still there, but I think Mase was kind of coming down off of his first album and kind of still working really, and so when, when we kind of heard about shine, it was really the bad boys record, um, and by that time he had already signed the deal. So we didn't really hear about the bidding war for him. Necessarily. I had never heard him on a mixtape. I'd never heard of him at nobody in the streets were really talking about him the way that we're talking about 50 or the locks or you know what I mean, like some of the other up and coming artists that were coming up around that time that you heard on mixtap in in, I'm not saying that he wasn't talented, but it was because, oh, wow is, oh, mikaela, try get that for $50.
Speaker 1:Oh, mega, try get that for $200, like you understand what I mean. Like that's what it was, not on anything else. And so, again, not to discredit his talent, but it was just who was flexing more right.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes yes, that's really what it was. You said something earlier about his tone and people thinking, you know, he sounded like Biggie At first. Listen, that's what people will think too, because you're trying to make a comparison and I think Nori, in all his comedic sense kind of said it. It wasn't that they, he wasn't trying to be like Biggie or sound like Biggie, because when you talk he clearly this is how he talks, right, and he's like it wasn't even the delivery, it was the West Indian accent, right, delivery, it was the West Indian accent, right.
Speaker 1:But it makes me go back to a time when I was really young and I remember when Buju just came out and everyone said he was trying to sound like Shabba, right, and then you know all the chatter around that. And then, once Buju was established, when Jigzee King came out, everyone said J Jigzy King was trying to sound like Buju. So you know our ear is funny and how we need we create points of references to understand when something is new, we compare it to something else, you know. And over time we realized, like in this day, like there's no way Shabba and Buju sound alike, right. But it's kind of what people use to connect and you know, I think Little C's said it, you know, clearly, like the timing of Shine, kind of when they were still grieving Biggie, was just really salt in their wound and their grief, and so you know, I thought that was really interesting because I didn't even realize that that was an issue either.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did.
Speaker 2:It was kind of in the back of my mind and I think that's why even his success kind of alluded me up until this documentary to be completely transparent, because I had heard the singles that were released but I had never heard his album.
Speaker 2:It wasn't until after I watched the documentary that I went back to his album and actually listened to it and, to be honest, I had to go back and look at the timeline of when it was released, Cause I'm just like this feels so closely related to what was happening in the documentary and what he's talking about in his songs, like lyrically, so even like the opening of the documentary, it's the intro to his first album. He just changed some of the verbiage in the verse, but it's essentially the same intro that he had on his first album and he just changed the words, cleaned it up a bit. It's the same thing that he did in his performance when he did it with Diddy on. It looked like on an award show and he kind of changed some of the lyrics to be a little bit more positive. So he's very cognizant of who he is now and how he wants to be represented. But even at that time I had really only just heard those two singles, those two singles Bad Boys and Bonnie and Shine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I did hear him on the remix of Total, one of the Total songs. Okay, I do remember that I think it was Sitting Home was the remix. You know because, remember, back in those days you'd have the single.
Speaker 2:You know, when we did our cd and then on the cd you had multiple remakes yeah and so that's the single cd yeah, yeah, the single cd, because you know we're going into archives with this one right yeah yeah, yeah, not, not the cd of the album, the single, but the single c CD where I had like six tracks it had the, the remix and then the remix of the remix it's a remix, part one and part two, and you know that was the remix era, so I mean, you know which remix CD that I wish I still have?
Speaker 1:maybe I still have it the Tony Braxton. You're making me high because there's no other place where you're going to hear the Tony Braxton Mad Cobra remix. You can't even find it on any of these streaming platforms listen that is the baddest remix like to this day. Anytime, tony Braxton, you're making me high, come on that's the one you, that's the one I'm seeing.
Speaker 2:yes, yes, yes, anyway, ty come on, that's the one you, that's the one I'm seeing and you're a think boat.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, mino, yes, anyway, other surprising moments that you didn't know I don't think anything else, because I did know about his father. I wanted to say this why he friend Derek Could have been Andrea's brother, right, and he kind of remind me. I guess too the friend who was talking.
Speaker 2:Castillo. What is his name?
Speaker 1:Derek Castillo, yes, and I'm like I wonder if he related to Andrea. Andrea, don't kill me because you name Castillo, but you know I'm like then could have been brother in that in his live interview in Darker. But like when you go back to the pictures, where it?
Speaker 2:could be related to her. Yeah, Actually we should ask.
Speaker 1:We should ask her, Cause I was just like and you know she is from Belize, so I'm just like, you know what are the odds, Right? I think the part that intrigued me the most was his conversion to Judaism. Not because everyone else goes in and comes out Muslim. I did not realize that he was living in Israel at the time for two years. I didn't realize that.
Speaker 2:Well, I didn't know. He was Dame Brandy. Sure didn't know that Sure didn't I was Dame Brandy. Sure didn't know that, sure didn't, I think you know, michaela went straight to the Met. I was just like wait what?
Speaker 1:Wait, did you know? Mace was also like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I knew Mace and I had heard the rumor through the rumor mill of what was happening, of what was happening at the time, but I wasn't, I wasn't aware about Brandy, I didn't, I didn't realize that there was supposed to be this big push between him and Barrington Levy promoting the album and the single, and I think that would have been so good because we hadn't seen that before.
Speaker 2:Um, I think, to your, to your point, there was a lot left out. Um, and I think even they they shared a lot about his childhood in belize. But when he got here, like you, didn't get to understand, like how he transpired to this, this street life. How did he get into the street life, like what was his involvement really? And that might be on purpose, you know, because he is a political figure, maybe he doesn't want to put it all out there, or he might be writing a book and he's gonna put it in the book versus put it in a documentary. I don't know. But there's definitely room for more. And I was even kind of curious about the reconciliation between him and his father, because essentially that really happened while he was doing time, how they reconciled, and at that time his father wasn't a prime minister yet.
Speaker 1:No, he was, so he was a political figurehead, but he wasn't prime minister yet.
Speaker 2:So his dad became prime minister while he was in prison, and prior to him becoming a prime minister is when they kind of rekindled their relationship and like how has that grown? And like what was that trajectory? I think, you know, those were some of the things to me and even like I think we heard about his conversion to to Judaism and we saw it like the, the physical changes that he made to become a Hasidic Jew, and we saw him in the news. It kind of like I felt like it just aloofed us, like it was just like, oh, okay, but yeah, like to your point, I didn't realize he was in Israel for a few years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it wasn't surprising because I also understand, you know the religious history and you know, so none of it was very surprising. I understood even this idea of Black Jew. You know where people are like, oh my God, this is an anomaly, and I'm just like it's not. It was more of a little bit more of why he chose that path, why he specifically chose to go Orthodox right, which is very different from just converting to Judaism, right, and so I just wanted to get a little bit more about that.
Speaker 2:He clearly they didn't really talk about him passing the time in prison. It was just like he went to prison and he came out they did he chose?
Speaker 1:That's why he chose Judaism right, Because he said that protected him while he was in prison. So I got that. But why he went a specific way. It's almost like why did you choose to go Baptist? Or you choose to go Seventh-day Adventist, right? Let's think of it in those things Like why did he choose to be Orthodox? Was something that I was just curious about. I'm not saying it was wrong, it was a curiosity because it clearly helped him to think of a certain path.
Speaker 1:What I appreciated was him dealing with this identity crisis and, as you know, I think a lot of what we deal with culturally is an identity crisis, a shifting of that identity. And a friend finally tell him like yo, give up the ghost of rapping. You know that not work for you anymore, but it's been so part of his identity for such a long time. And trying to reconcile, you know, this new thing that he's embracing, that it's now part of his life, and and this idea, this thing that he really wanted to become, especially when you feel like people have leapfrogged over you and been more successful, are you still living in your potential or has it passed? And I think that struggle.
Speaker 1:That was very clear, but a little bit, a little bit more, because he didn't just pick up one day and you know, maybe if we go back and say, yeah, you kind of saw the early signs when he chose to not rob the people anymore and beat up people, for the child broke into the apartment, Like maybe you could see that's the early signs of him wanting to do good in his community. But, like when he went back to Belize, there's a whole gap that wasn't filled in from the time he booked off the hotel room to just kind of stay by himself to the point where he's become involved in the community. The timeline didn't make sense and I think maybe that's what it is, Maybe they told it, but the timeline it wasn't put together in a timeline where you and I could like wait, but you feel like it was this, and then it come Ronessa to this, you know. So he went back to Belize for a little bit. Then it seemed like he went to Israel for two years and then when he came back from Israel to Belize, there's a gap there.
Speaker 2:He just kind of went into politics and it was just like To me what I was thinking about as I kind of reflected upon watching it. I wanted to hear more directly from him. Right, we heard a lot from other, because he's still alive to really tell his story, and so we did not get to hear in his voice him answering very specific things like why did he choose bad boy? Why did he feel so aligned to?
Speaker 1:I think it was intentional, michaela.
Speaker 2:He's a sitting political, I know. But what I'm saying is it's still a documentary. It's a music documentary about his, his transition, right, but to your point, maybe they did talk about it and it might have gotten edited out.
Speaker 1:He did talk about why he chose um bad boy. He said he, he. He didn't say but it was second hand. It was second hand, second hand. But it wasn't, it was, it still wasn't definitive yeah, it was just like he was the michael jack.
Speaker 2:He was. He was the person that and the thing about it is is you know the algorithm once you start searching stuff. I was watching part of another interview and he really talked about why he went in, and this is after this has been released. He talked about why he went to bad boy. He talked about the Michael. He kind of went in a bit on the why he thought Puff was the Michael Jackson of that era and why he signed. So it's not like the information isn't out there, it just wasn't part of this document. Yeah, but this documentary, again, it allows you to do more research and to understanding, like some of the timelines and to understanding some of the timelines, because I think I even was confused on some of the timeline things that were happening to your point. So I think that he could, or it could have been included in the documentary a little bit more from his personal perspective Because, unlike Biggie, where we don't have him to really talk about it and we only have past footage, that it's clipped together into a cohesive story. He's there, you can get it directly from him and his words and his emotions, and so there was a lot of focus on the industry contributing on what it meant to him and his career, more so than what it meant to him as a human being, and I think that that was what I wanted more of, because he's such a dynamic force right now that I think people are so intrigued and interested on how he transcended to where he is.
Speaker 2:Eight years is a really long time. I just watched Martha. Martha went in on her five months that she was there and what she did. You spent eight years. You could literally talk about that for a good 15 to 20 minutes. Who came to see you? What was the end? He did talk about that for a good 15 to 20 minutes. Who came to see you? What was the end? He did talk about.
Speaker 2:He talked Did you sign to Def Jam? Like what was that? Like, how do you sign to one album and then sign to Def Jam for one album and then go off the rails?
Speaker 1:But it goes to my point. It focused too much on certain things and not enough on other things. That was kind to my point. It focused too much on certain things and not enough on other things. That was kind of my thing. So it just kind of felt like I don't care, I get right, I get about the trial right, but I don't care to relitigate it. We could talk about how it feels, but let's talk about the transformation, right?
Speaker 2:There are plenty of other things I didn't even mind so much the trial part, because essentially again, even at that time I wasn't really looking. I was looking at the headlines, but I wasn't.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not even talking about back then. It's just talked about a lot and again, even in the telling of the trial it really didn't focus on him. It did not If you go back, but the trial it really didn't focus on him, it did not if you go back.
Speaker 2:But the trial wasn't really focused on.
Speaker 1:It was focused on him as the fall person, but it wasn't focused on him in the media, which is kind of why I was like we could have done without this, Like let me talk here more. I don't know if we could have done without it. We could have truncated. We could have truncated a lot. I think we could have truncated.
Speaker 2:We could have truncated a lot, we could have shifted it, but it was a huge part of who he was.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying that it should have been omitted. Remember, in Biggie I got a story to tell. They did talk about it. I appreciated hearing from his mother, his uncle, his aunt. I appreciated hearing from them and the friend Derek and all the people who knew him, because that's where you get to see him.
Speaker 1:Before he became this person, you started to see a little bit of the transformation, but it was just then trial, trial, trial, trial, trial and it was just like you know, okay, fine, we have to go through this motion. But then I just felt like, you know, I didn't, I didn't learn more, but I really I really appreciated the stories that the aunt told when them used to go country and you want going at a big pool, you know, those are things that I feel like as an adult you go back to and clearly you do, because in the end, when he might chuck off the boat and they go swimming at the deep, like that is something that comes out of childhood. So I really appreciate it, you know, and wanted to see more because, remember, when we learned more about Biggie as a child, that helped us to understand, you know, certain things about him but also I think this actually showed the similarities between he and Biggie and the major differences.
Speaker 2:Right, I think for Biggie music was a part of his entire life, whereas for Shine that wasn't necessarily the case.
Speaker 2:It was this secondary thing that he practiced and got really good at and there's a very big difference there.
Speaker 2:And even to Nori's point, they initially had a similar sound, but when you listen to them, their cadence, what they talked about, how they talked about it, stylistically there are similarities, but it's not even the West Indian accent, it's the stylistic integrity of the wordplay, I think, like they don't have the same patterns, but their ability to play on certain words and then that deep tone that he kind of goes into draws that natural similarity.
Speaker 2:And he didn't really talk too much about the biggie comparisons either or how he felt about them, um, but their moms felt, oh my god, like I feel like they could be having some tea at a table and just can't draw the little like I just see those two women sitting in Brooklyn at each other's house just trading stories about their crazy kids. Yeah, the documentaries to me like when they talked about, like their childhood, and it showed so many similarities, showed so many similarities and so many differences between the two of them that I think that this kind of really pulls them apart in terms of that, that similarities that people might have had in their mind.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the role their mothers play in their life is very central, right? You know, there was one guy in the documentary I didn't catch his name. Basically they were talking about nepotism and, yes, he had opportunities because of the position his uncle had and the position his father have. And, what's interesting, the uncle that they're talking about is his maternal uncle, so that's his mother's brother.
Speaker 1:And his mother's brother is close political allies and friends with his father, right, so just to clear that. But when they were talking about it Maybe that's how they meet. That's his listen.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying but I don't know, I don listen.
Speaker 1:But the idea of nepotism and what bothered me about that was I think people have blurred the real definition of nepotism. Yes, like nepotism is if you get this favoritism because I'm related to you, but it's also if it's not on merit Like. So if me I go promote you just because you're my son, you know I have no interest in it. You know I have the skill to do it, then yeah, but you know, to make it like, oh, you know, let's just say if I made up the bed, I make it easy for you to sleep, you know there has to be some talent. So that's the part that I didn't like about it, where it was just like, okay, fine, his father and uncle played a role, but it wasn't like he's not capable or he didn't show that he at least deserved it because he was working towards it. So that was something I wanted to call out.
Speaker 2:I'm also not surprised because he didn't have to include it. He could have edited it out it's his documentary but he kept it in there for a reason because he wants people to see. Well, this is what they think of me. It's actually working for him, I think, from a political standpoint, because, again, you have to understand who his constituents are young people who feel like they're up against an establishment that is so out of touch, against an establishment that is so out of touch, whereas Shine's whole political positioning is. He can relate to the younger generation and I think that that, to me, actually helps his story.
Speaker 2:He's not afraid of what people have said about him. It adds to his character. He's very straightforward. Even when he was talking about anything that he has done, he never really shied away from saying the wrong thing, being in the wrong place, doing the wrong thing. He's hell bent on standing in accountability and even using his nepotism to do that, he's still holding himself to an accountable level and I think that that is what people will deem admirable and resilient and relatable. Yeah, but even then we wanted more.
Speaker 1:I wanted to see him with the people there which people them in in belize, like we see it when him, when I walk down the street, but we never see. We never see the real ends. We never see the real ends you know what I thought?
Speaker 2:well, we see it, but we glimpse it, but whenever I really see, yeah, the other thing, and I wanted to point this out to you because I know the detail oriented you, I wanted to know if you saw it. So, when they were talking to Barrington Levy, and you know I'm going- she lewally wally, wally, wally, wally, wally wally seen yeah, s-e-e-n-e.
Speaker 1:I saw that, I saw it, I saw it. I was like, uh, somebody did not edit the subtitle properly.
Speaker 2:I saw it S I was like, uh, somebody did not edit the subtitle properly.
Speaker 1:I saw it two times. I was like seen, I saw it.
Speaker 2:But I thought that that was said. I was like me, know what's in carry on Me been seen.
Speaker 1:Me been. You know like, sometimes I'm just like you know, but I was like I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say, you know like. Sometimes I'm just like you know, but I was like okay.
Speaker 2:That's something again that we only we would really get. Yeah, that's something we, we would know.
Speaker 1:But I thought it was, it was pretty interesting. So again, I think overall like we kind of really talked about, something about that song that he does with barrington levy gives me a belly feel. The way it's shot it feels like um, you could look it up, but I just feel like when they're in the car, the kids running beside the car, I'm like why does this feel like a scene out of Belly and that song kind of came out or around or close. I don't know it was way after. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Mark Classfield directed that video.
Speaker 1:I don't know, but it felt Belly-ish to me.
Speaker 2:I don't know why Belly came out in the 90s? I believe. Yeah, the video came out in 2000, May 27, 2000. His album came out in September of 2000. And the nightclub incident happened in 1999. But here it says recorded in 1999.
Speaker 1:It was recorded. It may not have been released yeah, yeah, released in 2000, so I wonder if belizeans know that he goes to jamaica and record this video and not belize.
Speaker 2:Do you think they shot it between jamaica and no, I, you got to think about the time period of which you know, like that was the time period where Jamaican artists were on fire. Dancehall was on fire, like everybody had a Dancehall remix. I had a Dancehall artist on their remix and there was a lot of like crossover collaboration at that time. Um, so I don't think that him not shooting in belize was really an issue, and I think he comes from brooklyn, so we talk about brooklyn all the time and in terms of cultural connectedness, like a closeness of which the islands really feel, listen, listen.
Speaker 1:the guy was like Derek stood up at the 90th or something. He's like I feel very safe right now, right?
Speaker 2:He's like it wasn't like that, Yo, between him and Nori. Nori like it was so much fun.
Speaker 1:He's like I feel very safe right now.
Speaker 2:Nori was like I want to go to Belize so I can vote. I can vote.
Speaker 1:Wait, is that legal?
Speaker 2:Is that legal? They were so colorful in their commentary of him that I think they added some lightness to all of that.
Speaker 1:Yes, levity, because his mom barely cracked a smile.
Speaker 2:Yes, levity, because his mom barely cracked a smile. Yo, she did look like Shelley Tonda in some of them pictures there. She kind of reminds me when she had the bang with the mushroom haircut.
Speaker 1:That was quintessential, auntie hairdo, damn time but anyway, um, you should watch it, I guess. Um, you learned something and we just see what you know his political future looks like and the future for what he's doing for Belize. I think that's what's important for him and I think he recognizes that importance just because of the grounding he got when he lived with his uncle and his aunt and his conjecture, maybe, you know he feels like finding opportunities for the youth. You know they may not end up like him. You know where parents have to take them and bring them to another country like america, end up in another system, you know, because that's unfortunately, that's an immigrant story that you know, we all know too well.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I like yeah, I really like that he kept coming back to his purpose and like I like where he is now in terms of how he's moving, in terms of the leadership that he's taken on and the accountability that he has over his own life and his own decisions, that he has over his own life and his own decisions, and I think that that, to me, is kind of like that resilience, in a way, that you can kind of relate to. So I do recommend that you watch it just to kind of get context and if you've been kind of seeing him all over your timeline and you're like, well, you know who is this by the time this come out, they may not be seeing him on the timeline as much.
Speaker 1:Maybe.
Speaker 2:I don't know you never know, because politics is always a thing you know, like I. I think that that that will still, he'll still be kind of talked about, because you know people watch it, watch things in their own time, um, and you know, internet clips live for a very long time, so if, if by this recording somebody not clipped, it's the west indian accent already that's like. That's like well, yes, you should watch it.
Speaker 2:Support the people yeah, watch it honorable shine on hulu, so you guys should check it out, all right? Well, good bye people.
